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Shane Heath

No Mud, No Lotus



For someone who’s ridden the highs and lows of life’s roller coaster, Shane Heath comes across as remarkably grounded. 

Between the death of a college roommate, the unexpected chapter of fatherhood, and leading a hypergrowth company in an ultra-competitive industry, there are plenty of challenges that most people would be overwhelmed by. Shane doesn’t easily get overwhelmed, but he isn’t exactly easygoing. As charismatic as he is introverted, his cool demeanor belies a deep-seated intensity and unrelenting quest for existential investigation. He’s propelled forward by the moments of intensity in his life to keep creating, keep asking why, and will literally wake up compelled to do a surprise triathlon just because it’s hard.

As Shane would say: No mud, no lotus.

Shane is the CEO and co-founder of MUD\WTR, a product he created to drink less coffee which turned into a category-creating company of significant scale that he continues to lead.

In this interview, we’ll talk about Shane’s co-existing roles of interdisciplinary creative and CEO, his daily practices for energy and creativity, and the changing perception of psychedelics in American society. 

Note that as of the time of this episode’s publishing, I am an investor in MUD\WTR and that this interview is separate from my professional relationship with the company.

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“Don’t delegate your superpowers”




Show Index

00:00 Meet Shane Heath: Founder of MUD\WTR
01:40 The Origin Story of MUD\WTR
06:31 Exploring Mental Wellbeing and Creativity
25:26 Shane's Leadership and Creative Role
35:40 Experience with a Men's Group
41:12 Becoming a Father
42:59 The Constraints of Freedom
45:53 Changing Perceptions of Drugs
47:29 The Role of Psychedelics in Healing
54:08 The ESP Journaling Practice
58:58 Hot Takes


Show Notes



Ep. 24 — Eric Wareheim

Acquired Tastes


Ep. 23 — Sophia Amoruso

Sauce Boss Meets Girlboss


Ep. 22 — Daniel Goldhaber

Movies by Any Means Necessary


Ep. 21 — Dinara Kasko

Have Your Cake and Tweet It Too


Ep. 20 — Nicolas Jammet

Greens to Greatness


Ep. 19 — Thomas Kemeny

Writing Your Way Ahead


Ep. 18 — Clare Vivier

Liberté, Intégrité, Simplicité


Ep. 17 — Alex Bogusky

Peace, Love, and Advertising


Ep. 16 — Alexis Gay

The Unprofessional Professional


Ep. 15 — Seth Godin

Idea Virus Patient Zero


Ep. 14 — Nicholas Coleman

Chasing Liquid Gold


Ep. 13 — Gabe Whaley

Making MSCHF


Ep. 12 — Kareem Rahma

Internet Funnyman


Ep. 11 — Amanda Hesser

Building a Digital Hearth


Ep. 10 — Shane Heath

No Mud, No Lotus


Ep. 9 — Michael Dubin

You Can’t Just Switch It Off


Ep. 8 — Scott Norton

Purpose & Play


Ep. 7 — Chris Nee

Creative Courage and Talking Stuffed Animals


Ep. 6 — Fabien Riggall

Silencing the Discursive Mind


Ep. 5 — Danielle Baskin

Striking Internet Gold


Ep. 4 — Alexander Gilkes

Givers Are Getters


Ep. 3 — Susan MacTavish Best

Hosting a Rave for the Intellect


Ep. 2 — John Fiorentino

The Hunt for Big Ideas


Ep. 1 — Eric Ryan

Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal



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